Another hospital closing? Central Jersey residents may not care — we have access to numerous successful hospitals in New Brunswick, Princeton, the Trenton area, etc. — but we should. The closing of hospitals because of financial problems is a symptom of the larger failures of our healthcare system. The cost of treating the uninsured is strangling hospitals like Muhlenberg and can only get worse, spreading to healthy hospitals in a dangerous death spiral.
Reform is needed. Single-payer, universal healthcare is needed. The system just isn’t working.
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Hank Kalet 
Why do you think \”universal single payer\” (i.e., FULL SOCIALISM!!) will give you a better result than the current partially socialistic system? Have you forgotten the USSR? Do you think that all the MRIs in Buffalo are because New Yorkers use them more than any other state?The gooferment IS the problem. The free market is the answer.
What\’s the goofertarian health care plan? Oh yeah, drop dead, you\’re on your own and tough luck. Where is there a successful libertarian government in the world TODAY? We need universal one payer health care, NOW. Doctors and hospitals would remain private but we would have a huge pool of insured to draw from. All the other rich industrialized democracies have some version of universal health care except the USA. Truman proposed universal health care in 1947 but it was trounced by the reich wing GOPers. It\’s not just the uninsured, it\’s also the insured who are denied care, whose claims are denied and if you have a pre-existing condition, forget about getting insurance. Again, where is there a rich successful major libertarian country in the world, today? Goofertarianism is a fraud.
The free market is the answer? Excuse me, the free market has had decades to cover everyone at affordable prices and they failed. Tens of millions uninsured and it increases every year, tens of millions underinsured and it increases every year. Free market for profit health insurers have failed the American people; they are leeches and prey on the public. They work overtime to deny claims and to deny coverage. If free market for profit health insurers were actually covering all Americans at affordable prices, I would shut up. But they aren\’t and the only solution is one payer universal health care. Screw the private insurers because they have been screwing the American people for decades.
>What\’s the goofertarian health care plan? Oh yeah, drop dead, you\’re on your own and tough luck. That statement is more a characteristic of socialism than a free market. For example, in the systems that you seem to idealize, you don\’t get dialysis if you over 65. That\’s sounds like \”drop dead\” to me. >Where is there a successful libertarian government in the world TODAY? We have had libertarian societies in the past, the USA until the Sixties. There are mixed systems in Hong Kong and India. More \”third world\” countries are developing \”madical care tourism\” to cater to the need.>We need universal one payer health care, NOW. Doctors and hospitals would remain private >but we would have a huge pool of insured to draw from. Whose \”we\” taxpayer? DO you think doc and hospitals are goign to work hard when being paid by a GIANT hom with guns? The dismal science (economics) also points out why this won\’t work. Zero cost equals infinite demand. As the budget busts, you will have a \”caring gooferment bureaucrat\” deciding how much health care your get. You think insurance companies and HMOs are heartless? Just wait.>All the other rich industrialized democracies have some version of universal health care except the USA. Didn\’t you hear your Mom ask you \”if everyone else is doing something stupid, do you have to do it too?\”.>It\’s not just the uninsured, it\’s also the insured who are denied careWho gets denied care? >if you have a pre-existing condition, forget about getting insurance. That\’s the government rules and tax policy that have made that particualr disaster. And you want them to \”rescue\” us?>Again, where is there a rich successful major libertarian country in the world, today? You have two tiered healthcare in India, Hong Kong. Also you have \”black markets\” in medical care every place it\’s socialized. BUT rest assured the politicians, bureaucrats, and their todies have FINE care.>Goofertarianism is a fraud. Liberty is the answer.
>Excuse me, the free market has had decades to cover everyone at affordable prices and they failed.Well, insurance was an invention of the free market. Think Lloyds of London. It was the gooferment that stuck its nose under the tent \”regulating\” it. Look at \”life insurance\”. Little regulation and it\’s cheap and widely available. Health care and \”health insurance\” are highly regulated; they are expensive and a mess. Correlation? You can\’t blame the \”free market\” for the tax policy of FDR that tied insurance to employment. AND, you can\’t compare today\’s mess to health care in the Fifties in terms of cost and availability.> Tens of millions uninsured and it increases every year,> tens of millions underinsured and it increases every year. ANd, people make choices.>Free market for profit health insurers have failed the American people;There is no \”free market\” in health insurance! You can\’t call what we have today \”free\” by any measure. Just try a mental experiment, think about opening your own insurance company. Unthinkable right? > they are leeches and prey on the public. They work overtime to deny claims and to deny coverage.They are creatures of the gooferment that \”regulates\” them. It\’s incestuous.> If free market for profit health insurers were actually covering all Americans at affordable prices,> I would shut up. But they aren\’t and the only solution is one payer universal health care. There is NO free market. What we have today is more gooferment controlled. Medicare regulates all the folks over 65. Medicaid regulates the \”poor\”. Insurance companies, hospitals, docs, nurses, and druggists are all tightl5 regulated by the state. Drug companies and the FDA and the gooferment are all tightly coupled. Where\’s the \”free market\”?>Screw the private insurers because they have been screwing the American people for decades.Screw the gooferment because its been screwing us since 1913 when it got loose from the Constitution.
This pathetic libertarian mind set that big business is somehow always a benevolent force, has the best interests of the public at heart, or that business is this saint-like force for the good while government is evil. Some governments are definitely evil and some corporations and CEOs are evil as well. Free market capitalism can function in communist countries (China), right wing dictatorships (Batista\’s Cuba) or in free democratic countries like Sweden. Capitalism does not equal freedom or democracy; capitalism is an economic system that can function within all kinds of governments, even communist ones like China. Bad corrupt government is a problem and bad corrupt capitalists are another problem as well. You can\’t just leave everything to the free market, such as the health and well being of the population. Libertarians just want to stand by while millions suffer from lack of health care or from inadequate insurance because libertarians have no empathy for anything or anybody. Libertarians are content to allow tens of millions to go bankrupt from medical problems and just leave it to the free market which is exactly what we have been doing for decades. We have been leaving it to the free market and just look at the mess. I really have no respect for libertarians who have no feeling or compassion for the people who have been denied coverage in their time of medical need.
Dude,This is one of the best blogs that I have read. Forget that I stumbled upon it because of the \”jersey\” tags. Great insight into the state, the country and beyond.Wish I found it earlier . . . keep it up.SC
India is libertarian? Ha, try again. Not even close.The Preamble lays down the type of government that India has adopted – Sovereign, Socialist, Secular, Democratic, Republic.The word socialist was added to the Preamble by the 42nd Amendment Act of 1976. It implies social and economic equality for all its citizens. There will be no discrimination on the basis of caste, colour, creed, sex, religion, language etc. Everybody will be given equal status and opportunities. The government will make efforts to reduce the concentration of wealth in a few hands, and provide a decent standard of living to all.India has adopted a mixed economic model, and the government has framed many laws to achieve the goal of socialism, such as Abolition of Untouchability and Zamindari Act, Equal Wages Act and Child Labour Prohibition Act.
>This pathetic libertarian mind set that big business is somehow always a benevolent force\”Big Biz\”, as you cite, is a creation of the gooferment. A businessman is no angel. But neither are the politicians or the bureaucrats. In any market, the market disciplines those who don\’t satisfy the consumer. It\’s only when the gooferment, which purports to protect the citizens, sticks it nose in that it creates problems and then seeks to \”save\” us from the problems it has created.>Free market capitalism can function It does function because markets are human\’s way of cooperating without violence.>You can\’t just leave everything to the free market, such as the health and well being of the population. Why because you say so? You\’re a socialist and say that Citizen X has an obligation to provide for Citizen Y. So how did that obligation get created? Am I bad because I don\’t want to provide it? No, I\’ll take care of me and mine. I even contribute to charity as I see fit. But the gooferment has no right to steal my money and give it someone else.>Libertarians just want to stand by while millions suffer from lack of health care or >from inadequate insurance because libertarians have no empathy for anything or anybody. How many Libertarians do you know? Bad choices by Citizen Y do not mean that I am under some obligation to pay for those choices. Libertarians find that most problems are caused by gooferment policies. Don\’t you find it persuasive that \”life insurance\” where there is little regulation is dirt cheap and available; on the other hand, \”health insurance\” where there is all sorts of gooferment interference is very expensive and all messed up? Libertarians have a lot of empathy for people. We KNOW that the root of all evil is not the \”love of money\”, but the illusion of gooferment.>Libertarians are content to allow tens of millions to go bankrupt from medical problemsNo, bankruptcy is a gooferment process. One doesn\’t go bankrupt from a medical problem; it the poor choices leading up to a medical problem. The gooferment SETS up the conditions for these failures to occur. It would be sound like a litany to list all the intrusions of the gooferment into medicine. That\’s why it costs so much. Then there is the issue of insurance with yet another list of intrusions. One example, why can legislators and bureaucrats mandate that \”insurance\” has to cover X (Regardless of what ever X is. You can insert your favorite \”sacred cow\” — birth control, mammograms, viagra!) and change the contract? That\’s why insurance costs so much. We don\’t want people to strangle in the net of gooferment.>just leave it to the free market which is exactly what we have been doing for decades.We have been free since 1913!>We have been leaving it to the free market and just look at the mess.No; it\’s been left to the Socialism of Gooferment and that\’s why we have a mess.> I really have no respect for libertariansThat\’s obvious! Libertarians don\’t hide behind cloaks.> who have no feeling or compassion for the people who have > been denied coverage in their time of medical need. I feel badly for them. I just know who the villain is. And, it\’s not the Libertarians who want to be free.Americans are a very charitable people. Look at the tsunami and katrina. Who were the villains in those dramas. Gooferments; not Libertarians; not the evil \”corporations. To summarize. The gooferment created the system we currently operate under. Like the Pilgrims fresh off the Mayflower, we have found that Socialism doesn\’t work. IMHO when we get the gooferment out of health care, out of education, out of a whole host of activities where it has intruded. Gooferment only has one function — to protect individual rights as carefully delimited in the Constitution. Then, and only then, will we all be free. In freedom, we will have to make tough choices. AND, when people need help, it will be though charities that are supported voluntarily. Not through gooferment stealing from us to hand out pittances and exact a huge \”handling fee\” for tell us what to do.It\’s sad that Americans have become so deluded by gooferment.
The unreformed Scrooge sums up libertarian (goofertarian) \”empathy\” quite succinctly:“Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge. “And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?” Libertarianism would just give the green light to corporations to rape the environment, to bully the government, what\’s left of it, and to reduce the population to serfs. If there are outbreaks of infectious diseases, you are on your own with goofertarianism.
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